How Beetlejuice got his head unshrunk

What happens if two people say Beetlejuice three times in opposite sides of the world? What happens to it? I don't think anything happens. No one knows what the rules are. I kind of think he needs to hear you say Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, or he won't come. Like, every time they do it, he's within earshot, you know? Hello and welcome to The Popcorn Isn't Real. I'm here with my co-host, Torvald, and today we're going to be talking about Beetlejuice and the sequel, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. By the way, this is our Halloween episode, so we're going to talk about Beetlejuice and Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, because it's Halloween, and those are Halloween movies. Beetlejuice and Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Yeah, it's got a great title. I love the title of the sequel. I love that they went for it. They didn't chicken out. They didn't go with Beetlejuice 2. Well, what I love most about it is that he is locking in the idea that they will make a third one.

They can't stop at Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. There's got to be a Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. I mean, how would you describe the character of Beetlejuice? Because I seem to remember you came up with a very good description of his character, which fits so well. He is the genie from Aladdin as a pervert. That's what he is. Well, think about it. I mean, re-watch Beetlejuice, re-watch Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, and you will see. His character is just sleazy genie. That's all he is. He's just a really sleazy genie from Aladdin. He's hyperactive and crazy and very pervy and handsy. As I'm sure Robin Williams would have loved. Uh-huh. Yeah, he would have. But I've always found it odd. Michael Keaton. Is Michael Keaton. How is he the best Beetlejuice who could have ever walked the silver screen? Or wait, is it the silver screen? Every other role of his is just so toned down and subtle.

And then he goes full Robin Williams for Beetlejuice. Yeah. Just crazy. It's so weird. He's never done other roles like that, to my knowledge. I mean, I haven't watched a lot of his movies. That character couldn't be played better by anyone else. Michael Keaton is perfect for it. It's just so weird because he's Bruce Wayne. Right. He's like the most shy, awkward, mild-mannered Bruce Wayne of all of them. How do you feel about Beetlejuice as a franchise? Well, now it's a franchise. I mean, I think it's surprising that it got so popular. Because to me, it seems like one of those random, weird movies that I love. Like, I don't know, Tank Girl. That is not popular. That's like a cult classic that I love, but no one else knows about. Well, yeah. I mean, people do, but you're right. Cult classic status. Yeah, Beetlejuice is up there. Like, people know Beetlejuice. I think it's probably because of Michael Keaton.

I would say yes, because I think he blew it away. A movie that does not have much of a plot and is kind of all over the place. It's a little even slow-paced for, like, the first half. Well, it's so weird because it's so down-to-earth compared to the sequel. Like, the sequel is downright frenetic. Like, it's going crazy all the time. And it feels like it has like five plot lines. Oh, yeah, I know. It's got way too much going on. I think it is a good movie. I think it's fun and it is crazy and silly and quirky. But I think it has its value. I think it's well made and I think it's well active. The characters are all good and solid. And, you know, like I said, Beetlejuice himself is just absolutely, you know, iconic. Like, it's interesting how they really ran with that. And they went with the idea that, oh, like he is obsessed with her. Like he wants to marry Lydia. in particular. This is sort of one of the theories we have about Beetlejuice is it's

supported by the movie and also supported by the sequel somewhat. They actually sort of do a good job pulling this red thread through the first movie to the second movie in a few ways, particularly relating to Dolores, Beetlejuice's ex-wife who we learn about in the second movie. She's played by Monica Bellucci, Tim Burton's current girlfriend. The interesting thing is watching the second movie as i watched it i was like what the heck who's this dolores they're just gonna like insert this random character and my personal theory is that she kind of only ended up in the movie because tim burton was dating her but that might be a little cynical i don't know if we want to i don't know if we want to lean i've heard the theory i want to disprove that because even though there is evidence of it you can see that they were actually pulling plot lines through from the first movie with dolores there are instances in the first movie where they actually reference

beetlejuice's past and it paints a picture which they definitely continued to paint in the second movie when he's uh talking to the couple the the ghosts uh he starts listing out his credentials and he's he says that he attended juilliard he's a graduate of the harvard business school which i don't know if he did either of those things but then he says that he lived through the black plague and had a pretty good time during that and that is definitely backed by the sequel because they show that it was during the black plague that he was alive clearly they went back and watched the first movie and picked up on these really subtle things that they wanted to carry over to the second movie because why else have that scene where he was alive during the black plague it was literally just the tip of the hat to this line from the first movie which i appreciate which is mind-boggling because there's so many other strange changes that they made that undo

like rules and little things from the first things that they just ignored i know but then they have some easter eggs for little details that they're like haha we picked up on that we just ignore all the rules like the established rules about beetlejuice and the ghost world and what happens when you die after he lists off his credentials he's gonna invite them home i guess but i don't know how because he's in like their model but he acts like he's inviting them home he's saying all kinds of stuff about like oh it's a real mess sorry i didn't know i'd have company i didn't clean up then he says i hope you like italian he's basically inviting them over for dinner and he's going to cook them italian food which is supported by the sequel because we find out that he is italian and i was so confused when he started telling his story of his forlorn love with dolores in the sequel why does he start speaking italian until i re-watched the first

one and i was like oh he is italian he's italian that's why when he starts talking about the past he launches into his mother tongue and it's supported by the first movie he was gonna make them italian food and monica bellucci is also italian yeah it's true he didn't cast her because he was dating her he started dating her because he had this movie in mind exactly exactly so So the last the last cool little piece of plot line that they carried through into the character of Dolores happens at the end of the movie when the little alien guy is marrying them. Why is the minister an alien? I don't know. When he's asked if he takes this woman to be his lawfully wedded wife, he says, oh, I don't know. It's a big decision, isn't it? I always said if I ever did it, I was only going to do it once and that was it. And then as he's getting the ring, he pulls out a whole finger from his pocket and he says, I'm telling you, she meant nothing to me.

Nothing at all. And he throws the finger away. And all of this supports the idea that he was married before. He was married once. She meant nothing to him because she murdered him. He was only going to do it once. Yeah, he was never going to marry again. Doing it twice now. So, well, I mean, it also supports that he really did pick Lydia. Like, he really wanted to marry her in particular. He didn't want to marry just any woman. And then I really like this because in the first scene with Dolores in Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice in the sequel, you're introduced to her as she's putting herself back together. Her body is in pieces and she has to staple herself together. And there's one body part that I was like, why was this body part detached? And it's her ring finger. How would her ring finger have gotten detached from her body? That doesn't make any sense. and then we found out that it was detached from her body because beetlejuice had it in his pocket

because the ring was on it and he throws it away in the first movie so that was cool that was a really fun little piece of oh it actually makes sense for that specific finger how do you have been chopped off it crawled back it was you know all of her parts can move you know by themselves but to get to the ghost world all you have to do is draw a door so it's just found a piece of chalk draw the door crawled back in but other than that she does feel pretty shoehorned into the movie and honestly i think it would be a smoother movie if you took dolores out of it i think that maybe she could have been like or or really focus on dolores yeah like either way i don't mind her as a character she was fun my reactions to the sequel were just that there's so much going on there's like five antagonists. You've got Dolores, who seems like the main antagonist, but then she's kind of not in it much. Then you've got the evil boyfriend kid. And then you've got Willem Dafoe's

character, who's kind of an antagonist, but he's also barely in it. And then you've got Winona Ryder's fiance, who's not much of an antagonist. He's kind of the replacement for that fat guy in the first movie. And then you've got Beetlejuice, who isn't much of an antagonist either, but should be you know because he's not supposed to be a good guy but no you forgot anyone extremely major character with a whole entire arc you forgot bob he's got his own plot going on yeah well he's not an antagonist but yeah no so well small theory about bob and i think this will answer a lot of questions that i've heard so when beetlejuice the sequel first came out and there were people who had seen it i was you know kind of around several conversations and the first thing that i heard several people ask in different instances was always always does it show how beetlejuice gets his head unshrunk well it's a good question right that's how the first movie ends and

they kind of imply that like we're this is taking him out of commission he's not a threat anymore he had his head shrunk right that was the first question that people asked and the answer always came from the person who had recently seen the movie no they don't explain that but there are just like a race of shrunken head people around yeah that was weird but then i watched the movie and i felt like it was very clear and explained how beetlejuice's head is now normal sized when we saw shrink in the previous movie clear i was somewhat unclear on this i had similar questions to those people you're referring to so i'm excited to hear exactly how beetlejuice got his head on trunk if it was so clear to you it's quite simple we hear him say to bob so bob is one of the shrunken head workers who works at beetlejuice's call center oh he's i don't know why he has a call center drunken head worker right yeah he's like yeah he's the leader he's beetlejuice's main

guy he's a he's his right hand man beetlejuice has a call center i'm not sure what they are doing there or what their goal is i'm guessing they're trying to get work for beetlejuice right and i think he wants to get work because he just likes to go to the normal world and haunt people and he maybe kind of can't unless people say his name yeah but none of that's totally clear well his introduction in the first movie is just like you don't even see his face you just see like someone pulls up a newspaper and then starts muttering in like you know incoherent popeye style muttering he's like oh let's take a look at the newspaper here i've got to find a new job i've got to get a new job and he pulls up the obituaries and he's like oh look at this couple they look pretty stupid i hope that i could work for them you know it's essentially he's doing that but through the call center he's having his uh shrunken-headed guys look for jobs for him he's

just a scummy guy looking to con people and like you said he likes spending time in the human world but con them out of what they don't pay him well yeah i've always confused what does get out of this i was going to ask you this what were the maitlands offering beetlejuice for his services because it didn't seem like he was they were offering to say his name three times so i here's what i think i think that beetlejuice can sort of come to the i think ghosts can only go to the human world to the place where they are haunting so like their house i think that's pretty well established in both movies like they did not break that rule the maitlands were stuck in their own house if they left they were teleported to saturn oddly enough where the sandworms live well what No, one of the moons of Saturn. No, in the first movie, they just say it's Saturn. In the second movie, they say it's one of the moons of Saturn.

To me, that gave me like Phantasm vibes. You know how in Phantasm, they're like shrinking bodies to be like small slave people to go work on a planet with high gravity? Phantasm. Oh, yeah, Phantasm. Whoa, that was a weird series of movies. Oh, man, you're right. They did do that in Phantasm. that's so weird and to get there they have to like clang a tuning fork a giant tuning fork to make a certain tuning fork oh man what a weird series everyone should go watch phantasm yeah man and listen to our phantasm episode it's the old one but it's good yeah is it good i haven't listened to it for years no it's really good all right our best episodes uh the only thing i remember from that is uh uh he just keeps pulling out money he's loaded where's he getting his money yep i've had nothing to do with the theory no um so beetlejuice seems to have the ability to sort of go to other places but not actually really come there but like show up in tiny

dioramas or like in tv ads or paper ads right but or i guess phone ads now but then if you say his name three times he can come out fully into whatever your domain you've summoned him to i don't know if he can go further maybe if he gets married he can go anywhere but i i think the implication i guess is that beetlejuice is some kind of an evolved specter right like he he has more power than your average ghost and you know he can if you say his name three times then he's essentially able to come and do what he wants wherever you are lydia deets in the sequel refers to him as a trickster demon that's that's what she calls him so fair enough that's an apt you know description of him i'll go along with it um so but anyway sorry that was a sidetrack now we know why he has a call center i don't know why all the shrunken head people work for him he goes up at one point to his right hand man bob and he says bob because dolores is after him you

are going to be my decoy you will walk in front of me wherever i go basically if if he is in an area where there might be danger bob's gonna go in first and bob will be the one who gets hurt by whatever the danger is in this case that's not all he does though right well he dresses him up as beetlejuice and he's wearing the same outfit he looks like he still has a shrunken head juice in that scene i didn't see any difference between them except for the whole scene existed just for a one-off silly joke that it's silly beetlejuice thinks that people will mistake this shrunken headed guy for him ha ha but he was not explaining any deep lore here no it's deeper than that because here's the question that everyone on everyone's mind was what happened that his head is now normal sized beetlejuice so like that's the question on everyone's mind so if they have someone who looks like beetlejuice with a shrunken head to me that explains what happened to beetlejuice

at the end of the first movie that wasn't beetlejuice who went into the waiting room That was his ever-present loyal bodyguard, Bob, who went in first and was just acting like Beetlejuice because his mouth wasn't sewn shut yet, so he can still talk. He sure was acting like Beetlejuice. He was very, very good at acting like Beetlejuice back then. And just screwing with people. Well, of course, because he's got to be a good decoy. It doesn't work if you don't act like Beetlejuice. He's a very specific person. You'd know if it wasn't Beetlejuice. So anyway, and then he did what he was supposed to do, which is he protected Beetlejuice from harm. Now Beetlejuice knows, don't sit next to that guy and mess with him because he shrinks your head. Unfortunately, Bob's head was permanently shrunk. And I think maybe Beetlejuice realized we can't have this guy mouthing off. So he sewed his mouth shut.

Oh, just like all the other shrunken head guys. Right. And then he realized, wait, he's a very good helper with his mouth sewn shut and his head shrunken. So he went up to that witch doctor guy and was like, hey, can you shrink some more people for me? shrink their heads because i want to start a call center so oh maybe he like traded him a better number of people who can't talk yeah which was also i believe just a silly gag it was very clear it was immediately clear i was like oh that's what happened at the end of the first movie he his head is no longer shrunk because beetlejuice's head was never shrunk i mean because if if bob if you want me to dig into it i would i guess ask the question of if all of this is true why did beetlejuice think that going to the waiting room was a dangerous enough situation to send in his decoy and also the danger that was there was only self-inflicted it came about

because his decoy apparently was bothering that guy and he didn't need that that gives that but that helps explain it because that's why he wanted his mouth sewn shut because you realize having a mouth off yeah yeah having a mouth off like me isn't helping but having him look like me is now you might say ostensibly it wasn't his mouth that caused the problem but his fingers because he took that guy's number um it didn't matter what he said anyway it's okay now i can yeah i believe it this is a good theory why well here's the question why why does betelgeuse trust bob so much and why is bob so loyal to betelgeuse bob is loyal that man he sticks up for betelgeuse until he dies he gives his life for betelgeuse well i have a theory for that as well we learn that bob his his how long he was alive at the end when it says in memory of bob was 1372 to 2024 now 1372 was just a few years after the black death which we know beetlejuice lived

through so i believe that beetlejuice knew bob you know was acquainted with him or his family when he was younger yeah bob was like his identical twin bob's his brother eventually bob died and they were reunited in the afterlife and he was like hey bob and bob's like dude i love you beetlejuice i want to be your helper again as i'm sure he was you know back in italy yeah of course this makes perfect sense i like that that's good so i have a theory that lydia deets is cursed because yeah she lost the maitlands who were her surrogate parents who knows where they went or what loophole they found her boyfriend they went to the lost souls room which used to be death for the undead before dolores came around yeah her boyfriend slash baby daddy the father to astrid was eaten by piranhas her fiancee was eaten by a sandworm her father was eaten by a shark and her stepmother is killed by snakes like yeah he's cursed everyone around her

is dying literally her whole family all her boyfriends and significant others and parental figures except for her real mom i guess who is still alive yeah that was weird i thought her mom was dead even in the first movie but apparently she's still alive they announce in the second movie without ever having like showing her on screen that was so weird my theory is that because she's so witchy but her dad isn't i think her birth mother is a witch and put a curse on her for some reason so she gets the witchiness from her birth mother i'm not i'm not sure why um the the birth mother put a curse on her that took like 40 years to really pan out but well now she's mad now because she found out she's got a granddaughter and she's like i've never met my granddaughter curse you it just happened she just cursed right and the first one that the curse took was the husband you know so yeah the ex-husband i guess i should say the one thing

that i remember the the only thing that i really remembered about this movie for the longest time having seen it as like a very small kid and then not seen it again for many years the thing that i remembered was the weird fake grass in their fake cemetery model i don't know why that really made an impression on me like how he peels it back to reach out and catch that fly and then how they dig it up later like i don't know why it was so striking to me but i guess i thought it was just like weird that it's like fake grass and i don't understand it it's like rubber slabs so how can you dig it well i think it looks especially weird because they're making it in real size but trying exactly like it's small but it doesn't really look like it's small it looks like it's like that weird big triangular foam stuff but green well and like how what how can beetlejuice be buried under it isn't there just like a table under it well speaking of the model there's one scene in the

original where beetlejuice kicks a random tree and it falls down and he says nice fucking model yeah and apparently michael keaton yelled that at the actual set designers because the tree wasn't supposed to fall over. And Tim Burton loved it, so he kept it in. That's good. I mean, I don't know exactly how much stock I would put into it. Generally, whenever someone says, this line wasn't planned, but it sounded so good, they kept it. Like the stupid one about Indiana Jones shooting the guy, and that wasn't planned. Yeah, he was just tired that day. No, they think you don't discharge a firearm, even a fake one without planning it yeah the guy he shot definitely wouldn't have had a squib in his shirt to go off when it hits him right like it doesn't make any sense i don't really understand how them talking to beetlejuice gave the the ghost lady the idea that now they don't need beetlejuice and all she has to do is possess the entire family and sing tally me banana and i

just don't understand it she seemed like she had an epiphany while they were talking to beetlejuice and she was like we don't need him at all anymore and now she knows how to do all these advanced possession things i just well that's what i mean when i say the original movie it feels really random like it is it's so random follow from the previous events of the plot no it's just a random series of events that they kind of hooked together haphazard well and why for that matter why does the family love being possessed so much they love it they're so into it i mean because they got to sing tally me banana yeah they can't do that normally i also i really liked that um she just immediately thinks that that her husband adam the ghost guy built that awful strip club model building that he clearly didn't build she's like why did you build that why would he weird thing is that beetlejuice didn't either no caseworker somehow put you know built it

it was so weird i never realized that i always thought it was something beetlejuice made so he could just go chill but no she what's he made that crazy that it shows up and beetlejuice asks no questions he's just like oh yeah it's not supposed to be there i think he just doesn't care he's just having fun i thought it was odd that otho the fat guy played such a big part in this movie essentially being the antagonist yeah then he never got his comeuppance beetlejuice just gave him white clothes and then he ran away he got white clothes those those other like robert Goulet gets like, and his girlfriend get like catapulted. Yeah. You mean the two who Beetlejuice like launched into space with a hammer? Yeah. Like, I think they died. He smashed them through the ceiling like they'd have broken necks. That's Robert Goulet, by the way. That's the guy who your manager said for you to shut up. Oh, my manager said that?

That doesn't sound like, I forget the name. That's really good. And he's also the bad guy in Naked Gun, too. Anyway. Oh, yeah, that is him. You're right. Did you have any comments about Beetlejuice Beetlejuice? I don't know how you felt about Jenna Ortega's character, Astrid. I didn't really like her that much. I felt like she was just kind of... I had zero feelings. I just felt like she was generic, angsty teen. I don't think they put any thought into writing her or making a good character for her. I feel like that's the character they always give Jenna Ortega. And I would say it's a shame because it doesn't allow her to like show off her chops as an actor. But I can't say that because she's getting all kinds of great roles and people love her and she's getting tons of great publicity. And so, no, it's not a shame. People love her for doing that. I feel like it was interesting to have the daughter be a skeptic who doesn't believe in ghosts, who's maybe more scientific.

And I thought they should have leaned into that, but then they cast Jenna Ortega. So they had to make her really goth too. So they have her wear like ripped stripes, sweaters and stuff. I thought it would have been better if she was just dressed as like a preppy, like science girl who was a nerd and not like her mom at all. Cause her mom was totally goth and clearly she wants to be different from her. So I don't know. I just thought it would have been interesting if they had tried to make them a little more different. I would love to see a revival that really just leans into like, you know, this is what you want. This is the callbacks and the fan service will just give it to you. I thought it would have been kind of fun if her daughter was literally just mini Lydia and they were like best buddies doing all the ghost stuff. That would have been good, too, if they had really. That's what I would have liked.

But I felt like they were just halfway in between the two anyway. Yeah, I don't know. I think the reason I dislike Astrid is because the very first time you meet her, she goes into her room, gets scared by the most harmless ghost prop ever. Just like a sheet with eyes that just swings down and turns around and says, when you're all on your third kid and second divorce, we'll see who gets the last laugh. Which is, first of all, a terrible comeback. It doesn't have anything to do with what just happened. And also she's shaming having kids and getting divorces as the spoiled rich girl whose famous parents own the art school that is named after her that she's going to right like she didn't endear herself to me with that like usually if you have like poor girl gets bullied by all the preppy people at her school it's kind of endearing but in this case i didn't feel like it was to me i felt like oh so lydia's daughter is just wednesday like she's literally just

wednesday because that that was like that's a wednesday comment i don't have very strong feelings about her character but as far as names go i think it's weird that her name is astrid when her father is hispanic and like lydia is not like a nordic name of any kind yeah and also while we're on the subject of names lydia and delia sound very similar kind of sounds like Like she, it seems in many ways that she's actually Delia's daughter, you know, like biologically. It's weird that she's actually biologically related to Charles. Yeah, I agree. I thought that it is weird that Monica Bellucci's character, Dolores, goes to a dry cleaner, picks out a white dress and turns it black. I feel like there were black dresses there. That was actually really funny. I like that. It's because she needed a wedding dress, because that's like her whole thing. Yeah. Oh, that was fun. I like that. So one problem I had with this movie is that there are like at least five moments where

a person just stops and tells their backstory. And this is something that just happens all the time in modern blockbuster movies, and I hate it. But if you look at the first Beetlejuice, they never do that. no one ever tells their backstory no one sits down and says yeah i'm lydia my mother you know my father remarried and juno tells beetlejuice's backstory okay yeah to some extent she says oh don't get mixed up with this guy he's no good he used to be my assistant he went rogue he does all this stuff by himself he's just gonna make trouble for you right like she kind of does that that's a little more interesting though because it's it's a warning and we're also already kind of wondering about Beetlejuice so maybe it's a question we're already asking what I hate is when it's just like unbidden out of nowhere here's the back story I really like the consistency in Lydia's character that apparently

she's just like a magnet for scumbags like scummy scummy dudes just are really into her and she can't stop them she's just like a pushover she's just like well okay that was fun I like the callbacks to Lydia's wardrobe in this movie oh yeah she at one point wears her exact outfit from miss shannon's school for girls which is the school that she went to as a kid at the very end she wears her big broad brimmed like black sun hat thing during the dream sequence um dude you're missing the the most obvious one of all she married she wears she wore her red wedding dress That's the red dress from the cartoons. That's the best thing she wore in the cartoon in every scene, in every episode. That's just her outfit. Yeah. Well, no, actually, it's chanting her little Beetlejuice rhyme in the cartoon that puts on that outfit for her. Oh, it gives her the outfit. And it transforms her room. That is what Beetlejuice would do if she chanted the Beetlejuice thing.

And brings her best friend Beetlejuice to hang out with her. He's her best friend. Even though it's so weird. So the cartoon is so weird because it's so like, like, like they don't explain what their relationship is. And you're like, why is Beetlejuice even hanging out with her? He wanted to marry her and she's way younger than him. But the first episode is all about, oh, yeah, Lydia says it's our anniversary. So I got to get her a present. But then for the rest of the episode, they just keep saying they're friends. Friends don't have anniversaries. Well, it was funny, right? It's a joke. It's silly. they're faking you out i really wished that at some point someone like maybe lydia had said in the in the sequel movie like yeah me and beetlejuice used to go on like adventures every yeah i know i was waiting for that too and then beetlejuice or someone be like what are you i don't remember

that what are you talking about that wasn't good just like lydia's imagination well my guess is that tim burton had nothing to do with the cartoon and he probably like looks down on it and doesn't want to acknowledge it possibly he is listed as an executive producer in the credits well so it's just a moneymaker thing you know yeah i just think so much of this movie feels just unnecessary like what does charles deets do for the plot like walking around with no head he could have just not been in the movie you know like he's dead he found a loophole and moved on like the maitlands i don't know no i guess they needed a way to get the whole family back together for his funeral Delia Dietz though like Catherine O'Hara she's an amazing actor amazing character and I thought the thing with the defang snakes was just totally random and unnecessary yeah I know yeah what was that what is what is Delia dying do for the plot like I feel like she's way more

interesting alive you know in this movie they break a lot of rules that were very well established in the first movie uh time passes very well established well and I think that may come with an asterisk but but time passes normally at the ghost dmv in this movie yeah which in the previous one that that bugs me there are huge time jumps because of that i can see why that could be a problem it's a huge problem i can see why they would want to get rid of it but yeah um i think so uh lydia's fiancee says beetlejuice three times and they go and have couples therapy and She has baby Beetlejuice. But they never seal him again. So from what we learned from the movie, he's out. He can do whatever he wants. He can turn into a snake and just attack whoever's in the house now. She later says his name three times to summon him for help, and he makes her sign a marriage contract. But that wouldn't have summoned him.

That would have sealed him. Because in the first movie, after they've already summoned him once, Beetlejuice turns into a big snake, and Geena Davis has to say his name three times to seal him again. Beetlejuice didn't get rid of him, yeah. I mean, well, refresh my memory. How did they get out of the group therapy session after she had her Beetlejuice? She says, home, home, home, which is what Geena Davis says in the first movie, which is why he's not sealed. But that did not seal him. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I don't see why that quite works, but maybe it doesn't work. Maybe Beetlejuice does that to you so you forget to seal him. There's a point at this movie where all the shrunken head dudes just run out of, like, the house into the normal world. First of all, I don't think they should be able to do that because that's kind of what Beetlejuice wants, right? Right, that's what he gets.

So, but hold on. This actually makes sense within the plot of the movie, right? So, Beetlejuice made an illegal hole between the human world and the spirit world. and then he used that hole to smuggle lydia into the spirit world and after he did that all of his shrunken headed dudes used that same hole to get back into the human world which is apparently what every ghost really really wants so it makes sense and it was bad but for whatever reason the police don't seem to care about the shrunken head guys they're just going after beetlejuice what he he was the one who made the hole so i understand he he broke the law there okay i guess what you're saying then is if beetlejuice did ever get married to lydia the police couldn't arrest him and bring him back i think that is the point yes but i mean like you said they play fast and loose with the rules so who knows yeah well but my problem with the shrunken head guides wasn't actually breaking

any rules just that when they come out no one would be scared of them it's halloween people would be impressed with their cool costumes look like silly costume guys yeah at comic con we saw two people dressed up like those shrunken head collar guys and they looked amazing they look just like them and i didn't run away screaming i was like cool that's awesome my kids thought it was awesome so so in the ghost dmv lydia is with beetlejuice and they are going to help her daughter astrid but at one point beetlejuice just randomly says hey i gotta go use the little boy's room and leave yeah that was weird and lydia's on her own you think it's because maybe he's avoiding dolores or maybe he has some other scheme going on but he doesn't he doesn't the next time we see him is because delia says beetlejuice twice not three times and he just shows up next to her and is like hey let me help you out for no reason yeah i know helping her out i i don't know

and i don't know why he left apparently he really had to use the little boys room and then the next time we see him he shows up as like the stamp person who kills the evil kid he's fixing everyone problems he becomes deus x beetlejuice and starts solving all the problems of the entire movie in rapid succession like he is very much the protagonist of this movie or at least i don't know the the savior of this movie that's my theory he's not an antagonist right here i think he was just very much trying to endear himself to his future wife and was helping her mom her daughter and also legitimately needed to use the bathroom there you go agreed definitely that's that's what happened he came out of the bathroom saw dealy essay and his name was like oh i should help her i 100 believe that beetlejuice's actions in this movie supported by the movie itself and the plot and you know all of his everything he says and everything he does i think that he literally was

trying to essentially make it up to her and do what he could to endear himself to her really going out of his way to essentially help out yeah lydia he's breaking the law for her he goes to jail for her and honestly i thought it was unfair that they are like haha you broke the law for my mom therefore you voided the contract you made with her which is why you broke the law for her and now you don't get to marry her i really hated that that just like this random astrid just like astrid who doesn't even he didn't read the she didn't read the contract how does she know the rules she's like contracts null and void bye well and just like i'm just like yeah this is also dumb because like his contract was to do illegal stuff right like yeah that's like if you make a deal with like a mob boss and you're like hey i want you to murder this guy murder billy over here and i'll pay you a million dollars then the mob boss murders billy and he's like you just murdered

him that's illegal our contract is null i don't have to pay you a million dollars no mob boss is gonna come murder you now dude i think the mob bosses are usually the ones hiring the i know i know i'm just saying like just because you made a deal asking someone to do something illegal doesn't completely absolve you of remediating that person with whatever you promised them like i mean and if you're doing something illegal you might not want like a paper trail contract but anyway yeah anyway so they have a big song and dance number at the end which i think is sort of their callback to tally me banana oh you think did you pick up on that i feel like they should have picked a less muted song like this one is just so it was very much not over the top i guess i don't know i don't know everything feels kind of muted and it's like the i never use that recipe again yeah i only know that song from the tail end and simpsons like the first episode of simpsons

i think really where they're like it's apu's niece is singing the end of that song she comes out on stage and says i'm so-and-so nahasapima petalon and everyone laughs and she goes no i am serious and then it skips forward in time and she's singing the end of that song and everyone just looks horrified and then she leaves and I'm like I never really understood what the joke was she just sings the part about never found that recipe again or whatever it is yeah no I do remember that scene I didn't put two and two together I didn't realize that was this song um my last note was just that Winona Ryder who is a good actor I like her throughout this entire movie all she does is look shocked and confused that's her entire thing is just huh? Which is also all she does in Stranger Things. So that's like her thing now. She just looks shocked and confused all the time. Now, what do you think? Do you think that Bob

was the decoy for Beetlejuice and got his head shrunk at the end of the first movie? No, I think that was entirely your interpretation of it. There's no evidence. so obvious it's so obvious but he was he was alive in 1372 it's implied that bob was not a beetlejuice decoy until the instant he became one in beetlejuice beetlejuice meaning he was always dress him up as beetlejuice only when he knows he needs a decoy but then why was he explaining to bob if this is something bob has done before and does often why was he like okay now you're gonna look just like me and if she comes after me she'll find you instead wouldn't that just be par for the course bob has like a pea brain have you seen the size of his head he needs things explained you did point out and now i understand why you did point out that there's a lot of needless exposition in that movie so maybe this is just a situation of the characters

saying stuff that they should already know but they're saying it for the audience all right you You're starting to win me over. You're getting the message through my pea brain head. Yeah, sure. Bob could have been... He was Beetlejuice's decoy, as we saw. And he could have been Beetlejuice's decoy before. The dates match up for his death. And he does have a shrunken head. So there you go. That makes sense. His head got shrunk in the first movie. And they shouldn't have killed Bob. Obviously, they knew he was going to be a fan favorite character. I know. Bob was the best character in the movie. they said in loving memory like everyone when he died in the theater was like oh well and this yeah it wouldn't have been so bad because people come back from dead all the time in those movies except they killed him in the way where they were like and you'll never come back if you get your soul sucked they did the same thing to danny devito who was the second best character in that movie

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